Post Mortem: NIU Book 3, Edit 1

So, wow, this is over. We may or may not be halfway done with this thing I’ve called Nowhere Island University. That’s kind of crazy, right?

Speaking of crazy, wasn’t this volume pretty crazy? The Dragon’s Teeth are, if you haven’t guessed, going to be very important. I’m not sure how much I should give away, but Nate’s right about the Dragon’s Teeth.

In other news, I also started posting on Royal Road. That boosted stats by a significant margin from last time. That is really cool.

Anyway, what matters is that The North Korean Affair is over. Like the last two times, we have killed it. Now let’s go poke around the corpse. For science.


The point of a post mortem is to make me think about my own work. I have a lot of respect for good reviewers, especially the Channel Awesome crowd and several former and current Escapist people. However, I know that no person who reads NIU on its own can fully know what I want.

Therefore, I talk about my goals so people are more likely to judge my work by my standards, as well their own.

Introduce The Dragon’s Teeth

Now, The Dragon’s Teeth are important to the story. They will leave North Korea, and it will be big. I can’t say exactly how big it will be yet, but it will be the second biggest event in the entire story. To give you an idea of how big they are, I’m not sure I’ve made them intimidating enough.

That being said, I’m not sure I want them to be too intimidating. After all, Nathan (and the audience) has to have a reason to believe that the Dragon’s Teeth can be defeated. Otherwise, Nathan’s insistence that they can be defeated looks unreasonable.

Finally, I needed to give them a bit of character. The Dragon’s Teeth can’t just be just some nameless, faceless, unknowable force. They need a personality and a goal. And so, since they have several different “services” (Ninjas, Picts, Legionaries and Berserkers… so far) I decided to give each branch a different personality. The only problem is that I hadn’t really been given a good opportunity to introduce them as I want them to have a sense of mystery.

Still, I’m very happy at the way the Dragon’s Teeth came out. They are a very threatening force and an intriguing mystery. At this point, that’s all they really need to be.

Explain NIU’s Politics

This is why I need to make my goals more defined. I give a bit of a hint at how things work, but not much. I do think that I’m showing that there are some tensions, but I didn’t really go in deep as I wanted.

Still, there’s time for me to get more in-depth. I guess that will come next volume.

No New Characters!

The goal was to only introduce characters that would be killed off in short order. Instead, I gained two more. More on them later.

Community Response

Between volume one and two, there doesn’t seem to be that much of an uptick in interest from WFG or Spacebattles. Still, I’ve been getting a massive increase in views. Why? Well, that’s because I’ve started posting on Royal Road.

So, that’s three places I’m posting. When I’m done with NIU, for the sake of my own sanity, I think I might cut down on the places I post. Having to only update one site will allow me to focus on only moderating one place, save time posting, and consolidate the fanbase. Until then, I plan on NIU being in all three places.

Back to Royal Road. In his very detailed review, j0nn0 mentioned that he felt the story felt too fast-paced (Note: he had gone from RRL to the WordPress site, so he had read from the beginning through most of Volume 3 for his review.) Weirdly enough, this is the exact opposite problem I had with Volume 2. In my opinion, reading through that was an interminable slog.

This is not to suggest j0nn0 is wrong. In fact, this is to say that his disagreement is actually very helpful (and you should totally check out Trending News (According to the Narrator).) In the next volume, there’s going to be a lot of time spent at NIU, just like in Volume 2. That was deliberately set up to give a break to the story, and let the readers rest. Yet people still think the entire story is too fast-paced? That is something I need to fix.


Now, for those of you who don’t know, this section is something I usually keep for my fellow WFG writers. If you have no interest in this, feel free to skip.

The first thing I’d like to report, while Patreon funding has remained relatively the same, views and visitors have grown.If you’ll recall from last time, you’ll remember that there was not a single month over four thousand views and eight hundred visitors. That has changed.


Views and Visitors 2
Views/visitors per month as of 5/10/2016

I find it curious that the two big jumps have happened in the spring. I’d be curious to see if this happens again. I’d also be curious to see if, like last year, traffic peaks around July and goes into a slump that bottoms out in the winter.

As to referrers, I had a lot of luck with Royal Road. I believe my first post on that site went up in March. Most of the views from that month came when I set up the RRL page.

Plus, in April, I found out how useful r/noveltranslations can be. One post referred sixty-five visitors to me in a single night. The next day was my best ever, with 1,812 views and 205 visitors. Subsequent postings have had… less positive results. I’m going to have to play around with when I post there to get the optimal number of views.

The Good

There’s a lot to like here, at least from my point of view. Partly because this arc has been more focused. Every action is in pursuit of a goal: in this case, getting home. Yeah, in the last arc, that goes out the window, but at that point, it helps brings things to a close.

Also, I think I like how several of the characters are starting to completely lose it. Nate, just like planned, is starting to become a bit obsessed. Combined with his burgeoning alcoholism and a few incidents of near-homicidal rage, it should be interesting when he gets to a certain point of his development. Also not helping Nate is the fact that so far, his risks have paid off.

John and Kyle, meanwhile, are much more sensible. They want to get out. Both have their reasons (I’ll get to Kyle’s in a bit) and they are very good. Yet they still have things keeping them in the game.

There’s also some pretty nice fight scenes. With the cool opportunities that the Dragon’s Teeth and locations present and the squishiness of our heroes, it actually would be hard to make a boring fight scene. Ironically, though, the best comes at the very end against the South Korean police. I’ll have to make Nate confront that at some point.

All in all, I’m reasonably happy at how this volume has turned out. Are there problems? Well, yes. On that note, let’s take a journey over to…

The Bad

Now, before I begin, let me just say that a lot of these problems are more like time bombs. These are mostly characterizations that might draw criticisms later down the line. One in particular could be so bad I get hit from two very different groups of people.

Joseph’s characterization, however, is just bad. He is pretty much two different characters. This would be ok if he just underwent an arc like, y’know, an actual character. Instead, he randomly changes personalities at least once. Shame, he could have been interesting. At least I was planning on killing him anyway.

The next potentially bad character I have is Nari. Now, I like Nari. The problem is that she’s a nine-year-old girl hanging out with hardened commandos. My fear is she becomes what is commonly known as a scrappy. Maybe its an unreasonable fear, but I don’t want people to think she’s useless. On the contrary, I want them to think she’s useful… maybe a little too useful.

However, the most potentially headache-inducing character I have at the moment is Kyle. Kyle, in this arc, revealed himself to be trans. Now, transsexual people, as I’m sure a few of you are aware, are a touchy subject. That makes them a very interesting subject. It also means I have to get a trans character right if I want to avoid certain kinds of backlash. The thing is, I’ve already made Kyle say something that kind of demands clarification.

Still, I think I’ve done very well. Its just… I’ve given myself a bit of a challenge, that’s all.

The Future

Now, things are going to have to calm down for a bit. There’s a storm coming, and its going to be a big one. Most of you have a partial idea of what I mean. Some of the more perceptive of you might have caught a hint of what is coming after that. There is also a third big thing that I want to touch on soon.

Still, every storm has its calm. Most of the next volume should be that: calm. Yes, outside NIU, things are going to be going pretty sour, but on the titular Pacific island, it will be pretty much business as normal for an arc or two. Then everything will go to hell.

Some people, needless to say, will realize that bad things are going to happen. Nathan, obviously, being one of them. They will be in a desperate race to get the world ready for what they think is coming.

Also, I’m thinking of potentially reworking my Patreon setup. Royal Road, from what I can see, doesn’t approve of donation bonuses. Also, donations have been pretty steady for several months. Maybe offering  more content to Patrons could boost subscribership, but I’m not sure.

The Reddit Report #1: Monocled Lemurs

So, in an effort to force myself to read more, I have decided to make a by-weekly effort to find good, promising, or educationally bad stories submitted on various subreddits.

This will (hopefully) be a bi-weekly feature. Why bi-weekly? Because that’s how often r/Writing has its weekly self-promotion thread. The submissions this week might be a little light, as I just got the idea to do it today. The basic format is going to be a list, with the title of the story submitted first, the link to where it was submitted, then the author’s username. Anyway, hope you like my first picks!

  • Able Archer. bigjo66. r/Writing Critique post. Quite good, just needs a bit of work. The introductory chapter is somewhat text-scrolly and the important bits could have easily been worked into the first chapter, but that is balanced out by the real chapter one. This looks to be a competent detective story in a post-apocalyptic UK. I can’t wait for the next installment.
  • Sequential Chaos. Nick_Eleniak. r/Writing Critique post. I’m conflicted about this one. There’s a lot of stuff wrong with it. Gramatical errors, spelling mistakes, several bizzare shifts without warning… But then there’s a lemur with a monocle, which is amazing. Anyway, the moral of the story is always give your work a once-over before posting.
  • How to Cause Your Very Own Apocalypse, Chapter 1. NimbusArchon. r/Writing Critique post. The one actual web serial.  If you like 80’s camp and names like Radiation Hawk, this is the story for you. However, if that vintage of cheese is not for you, or if you’re looking for something more serious, give it a pass.

Anyway, those are my picks for the week so far. Hope you guys enjoy.

Post Mortem: NIU Book 2 Edit 1

And now, here it is. The end of Book 2. It doesn’t seem as big a deal as the ending of Book 1. Mostly because I learned quite a bit more from Book 1 than I ever did from Book 2. If you remember from last time, this is where I reflect back on what went right, what went wrong, and how to make sure I do more of the former and less of the later.

One thing is that I have noticed about the period I have spent writing Book 2 is that while I’ve gotten a bit better and I’ve gotten significantly more viewers, not much has changed. I haven’t increased Patreon funding, the TV Tropes page hasn’t gotten any bigger, and the plot hasn’t really gone that much farther. Of these three concerns, the one that I’m going to be talking about the most is the awful pacing in this book.

Also, I think I need to write down the goals for a book in order to do some preplanning and refer to them constantly. I haven’t got a lot done in relation to my goals. I need to do more preplanning. I need to focus on my goals more.

So, now that I have killed this beast, let us poke around the corpse to see what we can learn… Hopefully we get some very nice answers.


As I said before, I need to focus more on goals. First step is to write them down before I start the book, instead of guessing them after I finished the book. Then, while writing, I can go back and check to see what I need to work on. That might help.

Further the Meta Plot

The problem with this book is that it does little to further the main story and it only has its own story at the very end. The problem with building up to the end of the entire series in this book is how early on it is and the fact that very little in this book has anything to do with what comes next.

This makes placing any clues to the end awkward. In fact, if you were wondering what the hell Track 17 is about, then here’s your answer. Honestly, that might be one of the clunkiest things I’ve ever written. Yes, it’s atmospheric, but everything suddenly gets hijacked by two characters that seem like obscure extras to talk about things we won’t see for at least another book. As any freshman media studies student will tell you, that isn’t good pacing.

On the other hand, we do meet three of the four people who are going to be far more important to the plot than Killer as well as get some hints as to what’s going to be in the next book. The only one of these three people who I think you can figure out on your own is NIU’s president and founder, Anthony Newton-Howell. Honestly, I think his introduction rivals even Ulfric’s.

Talk About Life at NIU Post-Hell Semester

Originally, these would be two different goals. Talking about the effects of Hell Semester and get a look at what the characters do in their free time. However, as I was writing this, I realized that these were the same thing. The kind of wounds that Nate and his friends gained from Hell Semester are the kind that stay with you every second, and May can’t really heal them, no matter how much she wants to.

There actually is some nice hints that some of the main characters are fraying at the seems. Nate’s having trouble sleeping and reacts poorly even to fake gunfire. Eliza has a complete meltdown in Track 18, and back in Track 1 she suggests that she’s been having guilt issues since long before Hell Semester. However, I’m not sure how much I’ve talked about what John’s doing. That’s something I really should get on.

It isn’t all depression, PTSD and guilt, though. There are some bits of fun, like going to a party and the fact that two characters are already having a romance! Characters are even interacting without Nate being a driving force, though that is kind of the theme. I hope to get some more of this done soon.

Make Certain Characters Less One-Dimensional

If you go all the way back to the first WFG review I ever recieved, you’ll find that one of the author’s few complaints was how one of the characters (Richard Forrest Taylor) was exceedingly one-dimensional.

Now, when an author notices a complaint about their work that really sticks with them, they must first ask themself “Is this critic right about it being there? Are they right about it being something that’s bad enough to fix?” Now, one-dimensional characters are not a terrible thing, but I honestly decided I wanted Richard to be more.

That led to the twist of him and Kyle, someone I had very few plans for initially, to become double-agents for NIU. However, with Richard, I’m not sure I gave him much of an excuse. I mean, yeah, his parents ordered a hit on his sister in the side story he shares with Jen, but that feels kind of thin to me, especially as he’s still a racist.

Kyle, on the other hand… Kyle’s fun to write. First off, he’s an excellent double-agent, but he really cares about the people he works with. He also can’t seem to get a break. Unlike Nathan, he knew people coming in. Those people ended up dying horrible deaths in Hell Semester and the few who did survive would end up dying fighting Nazis. I actually really want to do a side story from his perspective.

Community Response

Like the previous book, I’ve experienced a mostly positive reaction from the few people who have come across NIU. I’ve also got better at analyzing comments for what I’ve done right and for what I’ve done wrong (for instance, I should describe characters more often.)

Firstly, I’ve learned quite a bit about what characters people like and dislike. I’m glad to see that I’ve got everyone significantly turned against NIU now. That’s quite fun. Also, people are starting to chose favorite characters which is pretty cool.

Some have requested information on other characters such as Valkyrie. Rest assured, Valkyrie will be mentioned again, and new types of Parahumans will be introduced. I’ve also been told that there aren’t that many Hispanic characters in English-language sci-fi. As penance for killing one of my Hispanic characters off, I plan to give the other one more screen time and maybe introduce another.

All this points to a strong sign that I’ve developed an actual audience, instead of just somehow attracting a swarm of bots. Now, the next step is to get a community where readers actually talk to each other. So far, strangely enough, that has been more effective on Spacebattles.

I say it’s strange because, much as I like it, Spacebattles is only friendly if you’ve been reading since the beginning. If a reader starts right now, they’d have to read around a hundred and forty thousand words in order to comment, and that number is only increasing, with the goal being by at least two thousand words per week. This isn’t even counting side stories which increases the total word count by another sixty thousand.

On the WordPress sites (both the NIU site and my author blog,) the comments are pretty much dead. It might be easier for people to comment without having to read literally every single word, but not many have taken advantage of this.


Nowhere Island University and my blog have both grown a huge amount. In its first month of existence, the NIU WordPress got fifty-five views and twenty-two visitors. Nowadays, I consider myself unlucky if I get that in a single day. This section will be mostly for my fellow serial writers, so if metrics and stats bore you, you can just skip ahead.




First off, we have views. For those of you who don’t know, views are how many times various things on the site have been looked at. As you can see, there’s been a little bit of a dip recently.  Most of that is because this is a snapshot taken three quarters of the way through November. It still isn’t looking that good, but I think I heard someone say November isn’t that good for views. There is also the chance that it will turn around.

Visitors 1

Then there are visitors (how many different individuals actually came to the site.) If you didn’t know any better, or didn’t notice the different numbers on the right side, you might think that it was the same graph. Oddly enough, the month I had the most views was not the month I actually spent money ($20 dollars, to be precise) to buy some advertisments on r/Fantasy.

Now, my numbers aren’t really anything spectacular. However, I am a new writer with no credibility whatsoever, so it is to be expected. But what I need to know is can I expect improvement? The answer is maybe.

Link data 1

This is a pie chart showing the statistically significant referers to Nowhere Island University as of 11/18/2015. For our purposes, that means ten or more people referred.

By far the biggest referrer is Web Fiction Guide. I decided to lump in Top Web Fiction and the WFG Forums as well, because they are pretty much the same entity. This tells me that most of the people who come to read Nowhere Island University are already familiar with web serials, which means my audience is mostly drawn from a tiny pool. Another web serial called Rumorblock, while helpful, also draws from this same pool.

WordPress tools are what I decided to call things like the WordPress dashboard. This means that a few of my readers are also WordPress users. Big shock. Twitter and Facebook probably just mean that some people follow my Twitter account or the NIU Facebook page. The problem is there is really no way to tell if that is the case.

Then there’s Reddit and TV Tropes. Almost everything on those, I know for a fact that I posted myself. The Reddit hits are almost entirely from making use of the r/Fantasy and r/Writing self-promotion posts. The TV Tropes page was created by me. But they are working. My take? When people other than me start updating the TV Tropes page and posting links to Nowhere Island University on Reddit, that will be a sign that I’ve succeeded and can stop having to post something every other week on self-promotion threads.

The Good

When I went over Book 1, I discovered a huge amount of flubs. Understandable, as I wasn’t that diligent at proofreading. Now, though, I have a beta reader! A beta reader who is getting tired of my shit, but a beta reader nonetheless. (Seriously, thanks sis! School is tough enough.)

I also think I am developing my characterization skills. There are subtle touches to a bunch of characters. I’m actually happy at some small moments, and a few big ones like Eliza’s whiskey-induced meltdown a few chapters before the end.

The Bad

Oh God… the pacing! The pace is sooo sloooowwww. Maybe it needed it, though. Let me explain.

If you remember last time, I mentioned something about wanting to be Wildbow. What I didn’t say is that one of the few things I don’t like about his work is that he doesn’t ever slow down. While this accounts for the addicting nature of his work, I feel that slowing down at some points allows people to get to know the characters better.

However, I think I may have overdone it this book. I focused on nothing, and then The Grenzefrontier just pop up out of nowhere eighteen or nineteen chapters in and (spoilers) are going to fuck off out of the plot except for a few cameos to make way for a bigger threat that will curb-stomp pretty much everyone else.

Then there’s Richard’s motivation. If you don’t read his side story, his allegiances come kind of out of left field. If you do read it, a good chunk of his motivation is because I fridged his sister. The goal of his turn was to make him into a complex (but not exactly likable) character, not just add another cliche to the pile. Hopefully it balances out, but I kind of want to do something to fix this.

Anyway, that was the bad. You may think I forgot something or am being overly harsh on myself. That’s fine if you think that. These two sections are more for my own benefit than anyone else.

Now, here’s to a larger Good section and a smaller Bad section next time. For now, let us move on to The Future.

The Future

Now, there is good news and bad news. Since the bad news ties in directly to what I was talking about earlier, I’m going to go with that first.

People in this story are going to die. There is a war coming and in war it is inevitable that people will die. There are several problems. First off, we all like characters. Hell, I really like a few of them. That makes it hard to choose which ones to kill off.

Then there’s the fact that I’ve deliberately made my cast of characters diverse. Despite the fact that I’m a white, cis-gender male, there aren’t that many characters that meet that requirement. That means I really need to be careful with how my characters end.

The good news is that Book Three is going to be much faster-paced. If you’ll remember in Tracks 21 and 22, people mention a clone army called The Dragon’s Teeth. I don’t want to give too much away, but they’re going to be a huge threat.

Also, I have some ideas for side stories. I’ve noticed that a lot of side stories so far have are about how characters have come to join NIU. I have a few ideas for some side-stories. For instance, how did Kyle get involved in a sting operation overseen by The President himself? Can the captured Nazis who cooperate really join the school? And what is Ulfric’s deal?

Of course, there are a few ideas I have for side stories that don’t fall into that category. For instance, I wan to make a story about how superhero agencies operate in this world. Plus, I have several ideas for Halloween side stories (such as how Eric found out that magic exists and Psychics that can talk to the dead.)

And… honestly, I think that’s it for today. As always, you can vote for Nowhere Island University on Top Web Fiction and give me money on Patreon if you so desire. Also, thank you for your support. This has been quite an experience for me so far and would have probably quit if not for the support I’ve gotten. Book Two will complete on Wednesday, the 25th. See you then!

Post Mortem: NIU Book 1, Edit 1

So, amazing as it is, I have actually started Book 3 of Nowhere Island University. The first track won’t be posted until December, though, so there’s that. In the meantime, I have decided to do something called a Post-Mortem. This is a term that I believe has originated in the videogame industry. This is basically what a development team does when a project is released, or, as the metaphor implies, “dead.”

However, I wouldn’t say NIU is dead in that sense. Hell, not even all the content is done. I think that there are at least three more volumes of NIU in store, most likely more. That being said, this serial has come a long way since the WordPress site went up on February 21st, 2015, and even longer way since I posted the first two chapters in the Spacebattles Creative Writing Forums ten days prior.

Also, I’ve recently come to several good stopping places where, for my own benefit, I should take time to reflect back on what I’ve done. Hopefully, you’ll agree with me that there’s a lot of good stuff in here. However, there’s not that much great stuff in here. Apart from the side stories, there is only one scene that I would say is great. There is also some bad stuff as well.


The first thing I feel I need to talk about is the goals of all this and if I accomplished any of them. Honestly, seeing as there aren’t that many people who even know that this serial exists, these are the best ways for me to judge myself. Hell, I probably should get into the habit now because if this gets big, I’m going to have to deal with a lot worse than silence.

Goal 1: Be Wildbow

Ok, look, I knew I could never be Wildbow. From the first sentence, Worm had me hooked like nothing else. I read through the entire thing in the course of a month. It sounds like a slow pace, but in actuality, it was kind of a race. The fight scenes and character drama made my heart pound. The tragedies, such as the character deaths, hit me hard. The injustices that the main character suffered enraged me. I exited Worm a changed man.

So, naturally, when I was bored after dropping out of college, I decided I’d start a web serial about superheroes. The idea (as well as many others) had been kicking around in my head for almost a year, slowly gaining traction. Finally, I decided that not only did I want to start writing again, I needed to start writing again. Now, subconciously, I knew it wouldn’t be as good as Worm. However, I’m actually how surprisingly different it is.

For instance, Worm is, at its core, a superhero story in the same strain as Alan Moore’s Watchmen: a towering praise-magnet set in a dark world and designed to ask the audience hard questions about morality. And, like so many other superhero stories, it focuses on the people in the costumes who go running around hogging the spotlight. They also both absolutely revel in deconstructing the tropes of the genre.

Nowhere Island University, on the other hand, is not a superhero story. For a while, I did not realize this. Then Billy Higgins correctly identified what it truly is in his review on Web Fiction Guide. Then I started to fight it. After all, the plot is [redacted for spoilers]! It has to be this inherently nerdy piece of fiction that celebrates inherent nerdiness!

But I was wrong. Despite the sci-fi bits, despite the Parahumans, despite the person in costume who showed up that one time and hasn’t been mentioned since and despite the fact that this plot revolves around [spoiler redacted], this is not a superhero story. At the core of Nowhere Island University is a Tom Clancyesqu spy thriller, complete with attempted self-insert protagonist.

The thing is, though, that is not a bad thing. Ok, it might be a bad thing for the people who want a superhero story, but for me, it’s wonderful because I might stave off some of the inevitable comparisons to what I attempted (and kind of failed) to rip off.

Goal 2: Set Up the Plot and Tone

The thing about Book 1 is that it is really self-contained. Yes, there is a blatant sequel-hook at the end, but apart from that, everything ties up nicely. People go into a situation, some people get out, others die, and there’s this wonderful moment of closure.

However, the meat of the story is only hinted at once (pay close attention to what Bai says in Track Nine,) and two of the characters who will… become extremely important later on are only briefly mentioned and one of them is only barely mentioned. These two characters, plus another two who we don’t even meet yet, are the driving force behind the plot. For the past five hundred years in-universe, everything has been building up to these four meeting in an explosive confrontation. And I, the author, have only slightly hinted at it.

What I was good at foreshadowing was potential projects I want to do at certain points. Track Nine, for instance, was an April Fool’s joke about an idea for Magical Girl-themed serial I plan on doing. There are also some bits that are almost horror, which ties into an idea for a police procedural/ghost story I had. But that’s not for a while, and there are at least two other serial ideas I have.

Goal 3: Establish How Bad Hell Semester Is

Yeah, I think I did that.

Goal 4: Create a Diverse Cast of Characters

First off, before we go any farther, let’s define terms. By “diverse cast,” not only do I mean diverse from racial, ethnic, mental, religious, and gender-identiy standpoints, I also wanted to avoid that thing that happens in lots of early comics where every character is basically the same guy with a different face and wearing a different costume talking to him/herself and only doing things because the plot requires it. In fact, the main reason I wanted to write many different identity types of characters was to avoid that problem.

For the different from each other part, I think I did a great job. I have made so many God damn characters in this book, but they are all distinct. The two most similar characters, Nathan (or Killer, as most people in and out of universe are calling him now) is much different from John. While John is desperately searching for a way out, or a reason that things aren’t so bad, Nathan actually seems to be embracing the violence and casual depravity of this world.

It doesn’t just stop there. Doc and Cross, despite their cordial ribbing are actually dating now (in case you didn’t catch it in Track Nineteen.) Salim is undeniably psychotic, but unable to recognize it in himself. Eric is a boisterous, charismatic leader.The Monk is just the most perpetually chill guy ever. Eliza is just amazingly snarky.

However, the two characters I’m most proud of so far are May and Ulfric. For May, it mostly comes from the side story Crashbut even at other times, she has just proven time and time again that underneath her goofy, socially inept facade lies a genuinely good person. By a good person, I do not mean pushover. She will get her way, and she will stand up for what’s right.

Ulfric, on the other hand, is an amazing killing machine. But underneath his bloodthirstiness is… well, more bloodthirstiness, but there’s also some warped sense of morals and fair play. His capacity for violence and size is matched only by his intellect. He is also disturbingly childlike and almost mute, but has a talent for getting in people’s heads. He’s supposed to be one of the most disturbing characters in this world, and he fits that bill to a T. Now I have to keep him just as interesting.

The problem, though, is that most of these characters are terrible, terrible people. Sometimes, people mistake having a minority as a bad person means the author is a capital-B Bigot, who hates said group with a burning passion for bizarre reasons. Usually, though, they are lowercase-b bigots who are just kind of ignorant about things. The thing is, I probably am a lower case-b bigot, which I will have to work on. If you feel I have fucked up in any way, please tell me. Then I either try to justify myself or fix it.

Community Response

Honestly, I can’t really say that NIU didn’t get any response. There just wasn’t a lot of it. My impression is that if you ask the average netizen who follows web serials about NIU, their response would probably be “What’s that?” The people who have heard of it usually have something good to say.

The two most helpful comments have come from the two reviews on WFG and my beta reader/sister. My sister came in after Book 1 was mostly finished (which is why Book 2 is so much better on a technical level,) but both the reviews are about Book 1. For instance, I’m pretty sure that Tartra’s review was written before we even got to The Chamber of Horrors.

That review, even though I was very shocked to get that good a score, pointed out some problems in my story. In fact, it actually shook me enough to have me make some drastic changes to how Book 2 would end. There are also some other changes, like less internal monologuing from our main character. In fact, I think that’s why Billy Higgin’s review was more positive: I had taken time to fix those issues.

The thing is, though, no one else has done a detailed review of NIU that touches on anything beyond Book 1. Billy’s review, while very wonderful, only touches on events from Track 18 and before. Tartra’s only covers things from Track 8 and previous.

Now, on to the fans. On the WordPress site, I know I have several people subscribed to my stuff. However, few of them are regular commenters. In the Spacebattles forums, I actually do have some regular commenters. I just wish they would engage each other as well as me. Maybe I shouldn’t have split my base. Or maybe I should split it even further and open a subreddit! (No. No I shouldn’t, that would be stupid.)

Still, it is heartening to see discussion in the fanbase whenever it does happen like “OH NO! DEATH FLAG!” incident or the lovely discussion on mechs. I just wish it would happen more often, is all. Still, of all the people who could be giving me money, so far you guys have turned out to be the best.

Other Notes

I’ll have to give Book 2 a look-over, but it seems to be much more bleak, which is a damn shame. There were some moments in this one that were just fun. However, in the next book, there just wasn’t as much chance for the fun and the funny. Mostly because I’m using it to talk about PTSD, which is an inherently unfun topic.

At least I cut down on the repeated language. At times in Book One, there are times that have multiple paragraphs in a row, sometimes even multiple sentences in a row, that began with the same damn word. I’ve fixed a lot of it, but it still annoys me that I’m doing that.

Weirdest flub: “How many people have they died?”

The Future

You know what? I think I’ll save this for the next Post-Mortem. The goal will be to have it sync with the final track of Book 2. Hope all you students of NIU are ready for it.

Interview with Eric Burns-White

If you’ve followed my blog for while, you’ll know that I’ve been fairly interested in the history of web serials. Recently, I got the chance to talk to someone who’s been writing since the very early days of web fiction. Eric Burns-White has been posting stories on the internet since the 1980’s. Here are some of his thoughts on the early days of web serials.

T4nky: Hi! I’ve been planning on doing an article on the Usenet days of web serials and were told you were the guy to talk to. Is it ok if I ask you a few questions?

Eric Burns-White: Sure! Depending on your definition of web serials, of course. 🙂

T4nky: My definition, for all intents and purposes would be the def. However, my first question is about Usnet. I  know that Usenet was basically the internet pre-internet. How did it work? Did you access it via dial-up?

EBW: Well, it wasn’t the internet pre-internet — it ran on the internet. The internet dates back decades.  It’s closer to say it was the web before the web, but even that’s a bit off. Generally, one accessed it via a college account (or rarely work or private) via dialup or in-lab. Well, it wasn’t the internet pre-internet — it ran on the internet. The internet dates back decades. That was then supplanted by NICBBS, which used the same technology, and that was supplanted by Listservs.

T4nky: How was it divided up? Were there various “web sites?” When you finally started posting your stories, where did you put them on Usenet?

EBW: As for “sites” — there weren’t so much sites as there were lists that various people maintained. Honestly, wherever people communicate with each other in any fashion, someone uses it to tell stories.  I made two of my biggest moves (to Upstate, NY and to Seattle) to move in with Superguy writers but I posted my last novella-length Superguy piece in 2009.

People could then use e-mail based commands to request archives and lists of the archives on these services. Those lists would give instructions on subscribing or finding the archives for stories and the like. In effect, everything was word of mouth. Search technology was far less ubiquitous or user-friendly. Usenet, on the other hand, was based on a protocol called NNTP. Posts distributed to local repositories.

Now, I’ve done a lot of things online, but in the period you’re talking about I wrote for two lists. (This would have been 1986-87ish through the 90’s, for the record.) One was called SFStory, and it was officially a round-robin collaborative story. One person would write a post, the next person would pick the story up, and so on. I  say “officially” because in practice we ended up adopting characters and plots & keeping clear of others. We would respond to *events* in other peoples’ stories in our own, giving a sense of unity.

The other list was called Superguy — a superhero universe — which followed a more traditional shared universe setup.We had our own stories under our own titles, but loosely coordinated and borrowed.  Superguy’s better explained at Wikipedia: (Coincidentially, Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, was also an early Superguy writer.) Over time, of course, we adapted to different methods.

For a while the stories were available via Gopher. A good number of Superguy writers later on reposted their stories to (here it is) Usenet. Usenet *did* have their own story groups of course (most notably the Legion of Net.Heroes and its ilk). One other note — it’s easy to make all this sound like ancient history

T4nky: I’ve noticed you made the transition to the world wide web at some point. When did you do this and why?

EBW:It’s nothing so formal. As new technologies emerged, writers went with them. It’s still happening now.

T4nky: Could I have a link to this list?

EBW: The wikipedia article I linked has links to Superguy. I’ll also mention — though I wasn’t involved with it — Dargon:

Character Study: Skitter.

Welcome, friends, to my second Character Study, where we try and figure out the appeal of a character. Last time, we talked about everyone’s favorite wall-crawler. Today, we are going to be looking at another person with bug powers.

Yes, we're looking at you. Created by liujuin.
Yes, we’re looking at you. Created by liujuin.

Meet today’s subject, a young woman with the power to control insects and view things from their perspective. Her given name is Taylor Hebert, and she changed her superhero name to Weaver. However, to me, and probably most other readers of Wormher name will always be Skitter.

Skitter is one of the things that ties Worm together. To understand her is to understand much of the politics, sociology and morality of Worm. While not an iconic character, she has the potential to become one, due to her relatability and unique approach to saving the world.

The Death of Taylor Hebert

The first few arcs of Worm are about the death of Taylor Hebert. It’s quite a long death, really, starting before the first arc even begins. The semester before Worm begins, Taylor Hebert is bullied heavily. Everything from physical attacks to psychological harassment is used. Finally, after a break, the bullies come back to shove Taylor into a locker filled with dirty tampons. That’s what sets off her trigger event, as shown in Shell 4.3. If you don’t know, in Worm, powers aren’t given by radiation or genetics, but are activated by traumatic moments. In Taylor’s case, her power (specifically, the ability to see through the eyes of all the bugs in a two-block radius at once) was so traumatic it caused a second trigger event. She was in that locker for hours, and when she was brought out, she was screaming.

This was the start of the death as Talyor Hebert. The authorities could have saved Brockton Bay and the local heroes a lot of trouble if they had gone after the people responsible. Instead they shielded the people who wronged Taylor, even putting one of them in a position of authority. This miscarriage of justice was key in turning a scared, potentially suicidal girl into one of the most feared supervillains in the city.

Now, there are plenty of times where we could say Taylor Hebert went away completely and fully became Skitter. When the bank was robbed. When she parted ways with Armsmaster. When she came back to the Undersiders the second time. When the Slaughterhouse Nine attacked. All of these are potential points. However, the point where it became inevitable was when the Wards named her in Interlude 3.

“Skitter?” Gallant put the name out there.

There was a clatter of keys as Clockblocker checked, “It’s not taken.”

“Then it’s good enough,” Gallant wrote the name up on the whiteboard…

To paraphrase Agent Coulson of Agents of Shield: “They gave her a name?” The thing about giving a supervillain (or hero) is that if you give them a name, especially a good one, it becomes much harder to stop them. And let’s be honest, Skitter was a very good name.

Now, before Taylor became Skitter, she was essentially a victim. She believed she was powerless, and she was. Now, Skitter has power. And, if you read a certain book, her reasoning starts to seem familiar.

The Princess

Everyone has heard the phrase “the ends justify the means.” Many associate it with a certain Italian man named Niccolo Machiavelli. However, not everyone has read The Prince.

While people rightly associate “the ends justify the means” with Machiavelli and his most famous work (his introduction asks the person he dedicated the book to to use it for “the greater good,”) his theory is much more complicated. However, it fits very well with Skitter’s actions. One might say she is the ultimate Machiavellian hero.

For instance, she obtains her “kingdom” is by what Machiavelli calls “conquest by virtue.” Skitter rarely relies on luck, and instead tries to create a plan using her intelligence, friends, allies, power, and whatever opportunities the battlefield has to offer. This shows the kind of resourcefulness that Machiavelli encourages.

Machiavelli also encourages a “prince” to be “both the lion and the fox.” This means to use overwhelming force as well as trickery when necessary and possible. If she feels it is is advantageous, she will literally drown you in bugs. If she thinks it is necessary, she will use her bugs to text people or scout the room.

She also is a big fan of the phrase “…if you must be feared, do so in a way, do so in a way that does not inspire hate.” We see this in her treatment of her subjects in the boardwalk. She may have seemed cold, her bugs may have been scary, but she showered them with supplies for a minimum tax. She still got some dissent, and her orders were even disobeyed once. The key word being once.

She also weighs moral and pragmatic options better than most heroes and villains. Many supervillains will stab people in the back and kick puppies just because they’re evil. Many heroes, also, would have refused to kill someone like Coil. However, Skitter did not, and probably saved many lives. At least as many as if Batman had just finally shot the Joker.

However, the reason I say that she is a hero and not a villain is that she doesn’t seem to just use power to avoid being in a situation like that locker room. That’s not to say she doesn’t react badly when pressed, but that’s instinct. Her goal is to make the world a better place. To do that, she steps down from her position as leader of Brockton Bay and becomes Weaver.

Sacrifice and Loss

A moment’s digression, if you please. In the 2013 Tomb Raider reboot, Laura and her mentor Roth are arguing over whether to rescue a pilot who tried to save them or help their crew. Laura wants to do both, Roth knows they can’t do both and argues to sacrifice the pilot to save their friends. He says Laura doesn’t know about sacrifice. Laura says she does. Roth’s response is something I think I can quote word for word: “No, Laura, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice.”

Skitter knows a lot about both. She lost her mom, her one friend at school, and nearly lost her new supervillain friends. However, she still had a lot to give. The amount of effort she put into protecting her friends and her corner of Brockton Bay would break most people. Also, many people in her position probably wouldn’t give up their friends to work for an entity largely responsible for turning their life into a living hell. Skitter did. She knew what could happen if she acted selfishly and realized it would doom humanity.

While I wouldn’t say she was always an angel, or that every terrible thing she did (like mercy-killing a hostage being kept by the S9 or robbing the bank) was for the greater good, but when she did, the area in the world became a better place.

The most tragic thing she lost and sacrificed was her ability to feel ok about herself. At several points, she admits that she can’t justify many of the things she’s done and regrets them, and was pretty much recruited into the Undersiders so Tattletale could keep her on suicide watch. So, coming from her, this final line is quite beautiful:

But I’ve dealt with worse.  If it comes down to it, if this is all I have to worry about, I can maybe deal.  I could maybe learn to be okay.

The State of Web Fiction #1

As a web serial author who also writes a blog that, so far, mostly talks about about web serials, the world of web serials is kind of close to my heart. For me, my introduction was Worm. For others, it was Legion of Nothing or Interviewing Leather or any other of a number web serials.

Being as involved as I am in the web serial world, I would just like to share a few of my thoughts on this. I’m not going to lie, a lot of it is negative. If we want to go mainstream, we’re going to need to make a lot of changes.

The Community

First, the good part. Web Fiction Guide and Top Web Fiction are amazing sources to promote your serial with, there’s no denying that. For just hanging out with authors (and the occasional fan) the WFG Forum is also an amazing place, and /r/webfiction, while still not great, has improved dramatically since I started going there.

Among the authors, we have this amazing DIY work ethic and a Good Samaritan feel to the community. I am proud to be among a group of people who are so energetic, resourceful and giving. From things like April Fools shenanigans, to what looks to be the first WFG Workshop, there is this wonderful sense of community, and I want it to continue.

Now, let’s get to the bad stuff. (Hoooo boy, please don’t get mad.)

A little while back, Lifesharpener made a note about why he or she thought some serials didn’t get reviews. I responded with this:

There’s one thing you got wrong: people actually do read negative reviews. Take, for example, Nerd^3, a gaming personality on YouTube. He has several series called Nerd’s Hell where he plays awful, awful games, such as Sonic ’06 and Grass Simulator. Now, you might say, “Well, that’s the one people complain about the most, so that proves my point.” However, according to Nerd^3, that’s the series that gets the most views, and consequently, makes the most money. This pattern also repeats for other internet personalities so much that they almost always review complete and utter crap. Jim Sterling, The Nostalgia Critic, Linkara,… I’m willing to bet that you’ve heard of at least one of these people.

However, it does prove very few of them like having to wade through something the devil pooped out. It is not fun to sit through Jason Derulo’s Wiggle until your ears bleed and you start losing IQ points. But Todd in the Shadows does it because he knows he’ll get a paycheck. However, I suppose he isn’t writing music. When we review another person’s story, we know we’ll probably meet that person in the WFG forums at some point, and we’re all friends so we’re worried about offending someone.

Therefore, what we need is either more people who aren’t authors or someone like Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation, who literally does not care what you think of him.

In this, we should note one sentence:  When we review another person’s story, we know we’ll probably meet that person in the WFG forums at some point, and we’re all friends so we’re worried about offending someone. Think about that for a second. Now consider that this has made me worry about giving out three-star ratings. Then we have this. While I love Worm, if Michelle feels like its overrated, she should be able to say so.

However, she feels like she can’t because Wildbow will see it or (even more disturbingly) she fears that because of giving a bad review, her own work will get reviewed harshly. The only reason her review should cause a backlash is if the review itself was shit.

And now, let us talk about review swaps. Yes, I have been involved in a review swap. In exchange for reviewing Interviewing Leather, BillyHiggins would review Nowhere Island University. It would be foolish to deny this, the evidence is right here. However, this fact was not properly disclosed in the reviews themselves. Any fan of web serials would rightly be disturbed by this practice.

The thing is, review swaps aren’t completely evil. All it takes is a simple message in brackets like [Disclaimer: this is a review swap with BillyHiggins] and it becomes passably moral. It still is a bit of a gray area, as we have become further inclined to give a positive review. It still reduces the risk of scandal and helps the reader of a review judge the serial better.

[Edit: I am not saying that review swaps are inherently evil, and the one I mentioned was actually one of the better ones. I’m just worried that this might get out of hand if we don’t check ourselves. Also, BillyHiggins, you’re cool and I like you.]

Flying Blind

The thing about making a web serial is that we rely on stats and comments to determine how well our serial is doing. The problem with that is due to the number of bots out on the internet, we have no clear picture if the stats are accurate. Also, most of us don’t get comments, so we have no clue what people think about our work. To further complicate matters, we rarely get to compare numbers with other authors.

Luckily, recently I have been given access to a treasure trove of raw data. Now, a few of you might know that I did an interview with Wildbow recently. What you might not know is that I posted it on /r/Parahumans to generate publicity. Not only did I get that, but I also got a snapshot of Wildbow’s readership.

Now, for Nowhere Island University, stats stayed pretty much unchanged. In fact, there was a slight drop in views that day. Note that only one visitor came from my blog.

NIU's stats. We're looking at July 2nd, the day highlighted in orange.
NIU’s stats. We’re looking at July 2nd, the day highlighted in orange.

Appart from the fact that Singapore is in second place (normally its Britain or Canada,)  Now, let’s see how well my blog did that day.

My blog, Wildbow's fans. Instead of noticing the differences of magnitude, let's focus on the similarities in kind.
My blog, Wildbow’s fans. Instead of noticing the differences of magnitude, let’s focus on the similarities in kind.

Now, if this is representative of Wildbow’s fanbase, there are some similarities. For instance, the top four countries are all English-speaking. Again, America is an order of magnitude higher than the next three most prolific countries combined. Then Tempest posted data from his site.

Temepest's data. I'm not sure of the time frame, and it would be nice to get referrers.
Temepest’s visitors by country. Note the amount of people from the US as opposed to from, well, anywhere else.

The top 25% of Tempest’s referrer sites. Note where the hits come from.

Already, we get some useful information. The time period is different (a year versus a day,) but we get some very useful information. Again, the US, the UK, Austrailia and Canada take the top spots with America generating around sixty-five thousand more views than the next-highest. America, fuck yeah indeed.

We also see that he’s also getting a more healthy set of referrers. While TWF and WFG are still generating his top amount of hits, Tempest seems to be benefiting from a social media presence. Ideally, though, more people would have been referred through Reddit, Batot or TV Tropes. That is good for the community because you’ve brought in new readers who might then go on to read other stories and good for Tempest as these new readers aren’t splitting their attention between two or more serials. The more varied your sources of viewers, the better.

In the same thread, Patrick Rochefort posted some very useful information:

I track my statistics pretty closely, but I also weight them monthly. I’ve done in a past career-life, market research statistical analysis, and in the land of webserials, you can pretty safely throw out anything more granular than weekly unless you’re doing something special like an advertising campaign or promotion.

For certain, there’s nothing quite like front-page exposure on WFG to get you a big spike.

WordPress gives you some useful stats too. A few I recommend paying special attention to:

1. Your conversion rate going from your first chapter to your second. That tells you how many people are washing out of your story before or at the end of chapter 1.

2. Your conversion rate going from second chapter to third, and then third to fourth. These, to lesser degrees, are your indicators of people who are going to go on reading. Some folks might give you more than one chapter to make that impression, but most will wash out in the first entry.

3. Views per visitor. That’s a good indication both of spiders crawling your site (common) and binge readers (also common).

4. Direct hits on whatever your latest chapter is. This tells you how many folks are actively *reading* your webserial, post-to-post, and hanging on your next chapter.

USA will represent the majority of your readership. Combination of english language fluency, literacy, internet pervasiveness, and leisure time. Canada will present at similar levels but scaled down to the population. England and Ireland to the same dwindling tails. If I take the month of June for example, about 45% of my unique visitors were American, 10% Canadian, 10% United Kingdom, 8% Australia. So that’s just shy of 75% of my readership right there.

Demographics are a sore point for me right now, as I haven’t been able to source any firm demographic data. And I’d like to know my audience. Extrapolating from other online media sources: Chances are very good over 70% of your readership is a white person between the ages of 18 and 25. Your genre will strongly skew the gender ratio of your audience. Your average webfiction reader is probably a college kid reading when they should be studying. The majority will be full-time students, with another large demographic chunk being full-time employed at a junior level.

(If anyone can source firmer figures on reader demographics, I will give you a slice of chocolate cake*.)
(*: lies)

Particularly of use is the idea of conversions. How many people go from chapter one to chapter two, how many go from chapter two to chapter three, etc, etc. This technique is honestly very helpful, as it tells you what the fucking numbers mean.

The next problem I have with Tempest’s data is that it doesn’t show referrers. Which brings us nicely to my next point…

Marketing and Publicity

Ok, I love Chris Poirier, Web Fiction Guide and Top Web Fiction. However, I’ve been writing NIU since February, and as of now Top Web Fiction has given NIU 582 hits and Web Fiction Guide has given me 281 hits. In one day, due to placing the right link in the right sub, Reddit was able to give this blog six hundred and forty-six hits in a single day. Think about that for a minute.

Another thing about this is if you look at the various people who frequent /r/Parahumans, you will find that very few of them came to Wildbow’s stories via WFG or TWF. They discovered them through Let’s Reads, interesting fan art, TV Tropes, or other subreddits. Hell, a while back, Tartra noted how her TV Tropes page was starting to refer more readers.

My conclusion? WFG is amazing for a fledgling serialist. It is low-effort to submit a serial, and the gains, as Chris suggested in his interview with me, are too great to pass up. However, these gains are only attractive because they take so little effort to achieve.

TV Tropes and Reddit, on the other hand, have the tendency to snowball. All it takes is for one other person besides the author to decide to talk about a serial, and all of a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it. The badass character is suddenly fighting The Punisher on /r/WhoWouldWin. Quotes and trope examples are popping up all over TV Tropes. Spacebattles suddenly can’t shut up about it.

The problem is, that one guy doesn’t exist until hours, possibly years, of work later. You have to be on the social media of your choice every day until your work clicks with someone. Then you have to keep doing it until you realize that your efforts would be better served managing your community.

What we need is people like TotalBiscuit or Angry Joe. People who make money off of promoting our work. The thing is, the infrastructure is already in place. Currently, there are many people who write about literature, just waiting to stumble upon our scene. The problem is, we don’t know how to contact them and they don’t know we exist. To do that, one of our workshops should focus on how to get literary talking heads to read our books or something.

Preserving our History

As an amateur historian, I’m disturbed at how little information we have on our past. For example, this Reddit thread turned into a historical goldmine. Before I saw it, I had no clue that there was a time people were using less than virtuous methods to get votes on TWF and there was a period when everyone was writing about magic schools.

I’ve also heard stories of another author (this was before my time, and maybe before Wildbow’s as well) who got big. She did so by advertising on the Penny Arcade forums. After a while, it turned out she was developing too many projects at once, then her health took a turn for the worse. The result was a web serial crash.

The thing that disturbs my inner historian is not that they happened, but how I heard about it. Instead of finding articles about them, I found comments in forums that had nothing to do with web serial history. This means that our history is kept by a digitized version of oral history, passed down from one author to the next, with fans almost never hearing about it because they’re fans of the individual work, not the form.

This means that our history is easily lost. The bare minimum is very simple: archive the monthly results of TWF. We should be able to go back and see what the top serial of… let’s say, May 2011 was. (For those of you who don’t know, May 2011 is the moth before the first chapter of Worm was posted. It wouldn’t become a hit until seven months later.) Similar features for WFG proper would be nice as well. It would be nice to see what was introduced when.

However, ideally, more people would put out more articles like this. I kind of already volunteered (God help me) but if this blog ends up going kaput for some reason, I’d like there to be other people who’ll carry on this work. Also, if there are more people out there working on this, I’d like them to be able to call bullshit if I mess up. For instance, I’m worried that this is the first time anyone’s talked about preserving our history. Can someone please prove me wrong?


In 2014, I discovered Worm. Like Patrick said earlier, I was a kid in college who should have been studying. But who the fuck cared? College was awful and Worm was wonderful. I would spend all the time I could reading it. Eventually, due to the fact that it remembered where I was, I switched from my laptop to my iTouch. This had the advantage of allowing me to read everywhere I went. Suddenly, I was in fourth grade again, reading while the teacher was talking.

However, this did not allow me to read Worm on the bus between campuses. If I timed it right, I could read a section while listening to my music. If I timed it wrong, that was just one less barrier between a happy journey and being driven insane by bro country.

Other people have this problem as well. One person on Reddit I talked to goes to work by train every morning. For most of the ride, there is no internet access. At least there are some ways to get around this, such as saving the chapter to your device or apps like this. However, we will always be limited to people with net access.

The Future

As a community, our future is very fragile. Is this our golden age, or are we still struggling out of the primordial ooze? Will we blossom into something that traditional press and self-publishing houses will have to take seriously, or will we get swept up into the dustbin of history? Or will we just continue scraping by?

In my opinion, at the moment it could still go any of those three ways, but it is slowly moving towards the good one with choclate cake for everyone. Why do I think this? Because as time goes on, more people in Top Web Fiction are getting votes in the hundreds. As time goes on, we’re getting authors who are both talented writers and talented marketers. If we get more people like Jim Zoetewey, Wildbow, Unililustrated, and Drew Hayes, and if they direct more traffic to WFG, then we all benefit.

So those are my two thousand six hundred plus words on the subject. Hope you agree, or at least got to thinking.

Interview with Wildbow

Yes, ChromaCurves, Wildbow is magic.
Yes, ChromaCurves, Wildbow is magic.

In 2011, JC “Wildbow”  McCrae launched the first chapter of Worm. Within two years, it was finished with 1.75 million words. In 2014, near the end of my Junior year in college, I discovered the story through TV Tropes and fell in love immediately. Seriously, go read it. It is freaking amazing. After that, he would go on to write Pact (now finished at 950,000 words) and Twig, which is currently ongoing. In the meantime, Worm has generated active fan communities on DeviantArt, TV Tropes (seriously, look how many times its been mentioned on other pages,) and Reddit.

t4nky: Before we begin, did I miss anything about you in my introduction that you want to add?

Wildbow: I should clarify that Worm took 2.4 years to finish.  I don’t want to claim more productivity than I’m due.  It should also be noted that Worm was my first time writing for the public.

t4nky: Now I know you’re probably not going to answer this ever, but for my fellow Worm fans I must ask this: What exactly does the Sleeper do? What are his powers?

Wildbow: Sleeper was written in as a response to a fan saying that I shouldn’t go into detail and explain every character.  He featured in a snippet I wrote back in the day (I spent ten years writing bits and pieces of superhero stuff before settling on the story I wanted to write) and seemed like a good one to drop in.  He does have a power, but I think it’s best left unsaid, perhaps until the sequel.

t4nky: Ok, on to the real questions. On the Web Fiction Guide forums where all us web serial authors hang out, you’re kind of famous for your ability to turn out more work in shorter periods of time and of greater quality than the rest of us. How are you able to do this?

Penny Arcade somehow managing to capture WFG's thoughts on Wildbow.
Penny Arcade somehow managing to capture WFG’s thoughts on Wildbow.

Wildbow: Honestly, it’s about putting hours in front of the keyboard, committing to an update schedule, and giving myself no other choice than to get the writing done. Six months in, I set minimum wordcounts, and about a year and a half into the writing I raised that minimum wordcount.  Always testing and taxing myself.  This probably isn’t news to members of the community or anyone that’s stalked me on reddit, but in 2011 I was in University and doing the writing (though I had the benefit of a backlog during that period), and in 2012 I was working intermittently, putting in maybe an average of 20-30 hours of regular work and 35-50 hours of sitting down and writing at the keyboard.

In my day today, I would wake up, and the first thought in my head would be the writing.  When’s the next chapter due?  What am I doing today?  Where can I fit in the writing?  Get up out of bed, go eat, shower, check some things or directions if I was working (mostly doing painting and landscaping and minor handyman assistant stuff), walk the dog, thinking all the while, what are the challenges, what haven’t I figured out for the next chapter?  Thinking, musing, everything I’m dealing with is cross-checked against the challenges/snarl/thing I’m trying to overcome.  I’d wait for & then hop on the bus to head to the location, and I’d have a notebook out, or my beat up itouch in notepad mode, tucked under one arm as I paid my fare and found my seat.  I’d start writing the chapter, trying not to scribble on the page too much when the bus went over bumps, or I’d be making notes and blocking things out in rough form, this chapter this happens, then this, then that, point form.

I’d get to wherever I was working and get everything together, make sure I knew what I was doing, then knuckle down and get to doing something brainless, music playing, painting walls or putting up drywall, and all the while, I’d be playing through conversations in myhead, and I’d mentally store all the best quips and lines and observations.  I’d think about characters and their perspectives and what led them to be what they are.

I’d finish the day’s work, get home, write down anything I was afraid I wouldn’t remember if I waited, then I’d read, watch something, or game for an hour or two, check comments and reviews, then spend a bit writing.

On days I didn’t work, the process would be the same, except that I’d sit down to start writing at about 10am, I’d ideally finish at 11pm, edit until midnight, let the chapter upload, then spend a few hours awake, looking for typo notifications and feedback.  Crash, sleep, wake up, then either work or have a ‘lazy day’ where I’d do errands and try to recuperate.  But even on a lazy day, there wouldn’t be ten minutes that went by without me thinking about the writing, and what I was doing with it.

It consumed me, but I found my way to that state by being dedicated to the update scedule and giving myself no other choice.  I couldn’t and can’t conceive of a reality where I work a desk job or trade or whichever, writing feels like the only option that suits me as an individual, and I knew that being successful at writing is a 1 in 100 shot.  I wasn’t even thinking about that in terms of making a living (that’s 1 in 100 out of the people who are successful) or making it big (that’s 1 out of 100 of those people), just about writing something good that got attention. The only variable I could control was the amount of work that I put into it.  There was no way I was willing to do what I was doing, make the sacrifices, devote myself wholesale to it, and then look back and think ‘I should have worked harder’.

Jorangeart's rendering of the demon Barbatorem from Pact.
Jorangeart’s rendering of the demon Barbatorem from Pact.

t4nky: So, one of the things I learned reading your blog is that Worm wasn’t originally Worm. There were several other stories before Worm was Worm where you wrote that focused on different aspects of the universe. Did Pact and Twig go through a similar process?

Wildbow: When I spent the ages of 15 to 25 meandering through writing, struggling to write something more than a few pages long before burning out on it, it was a fifty-thirty-twenty balance of superhero, modern supernatural and other stuff, respectively.  Pact, like Worm, was built on the graveyard of failed writings in the same genre (and a few tidbits from other genres).  Pact’s writing mostly featured Maggie Holt as the protagonist, but I decided fairly late (as in, shortly before I wrote the first pact snippet, a few weeks before Pact started) that I would probably end up making her too much like Taylor of Worm.  You can’t put so much of yourself in the story and so much of the story in yourself for 2.4 years without something bleeding over.  Blake had existed in snippets before, and I tweaked him to make him as different from Taylor as possible, while still being comfortable to write.  I think I needed to, to avoid constraining myself as a writer.

Twig, by contrast, did have some snippets and drafts done, but far less than you would think.  A half dozen at most, compared to the number I did for Worm (a hundred or more snippets) or Pact (slightly less).  I do think it shows in little ways, the language and the conceit of the setting isn’t so well established from the outset, but it’s not so lacking that people have complained or fled in droves.

t4nky: Speaking of those other stories, was it hard to show any of those stories to the public? Are there any you want to revisit?

Wildbow: Worm is the first story I showed to the public.  When Worm ended, I gave people a peek at the snippets and drafts I wrote prior to settling on Worm as a story.  They were rough, but I think the writing of Worm revealed more of me and showed off more in the way of my writerly vulnerabilities than the snippets did.  The snippets were casual, more a thought exercise than anything, and Worm itself was something that took a lot out of me.  I had a lot of hopes and stuff resting on Worm, and I cared and care more about how Worm is received than any rough sketches I wrote years ago.

t4nky: You plan on doing a sequel to Worm. How do you top it? Once you put the entire world at risk, you can’t really top it, especially the way you did it.

Wildbow: People have frequently said that Worm is an exercise in ‘just when I thought it couldn’t be topped, Wildbow raised the bar’.  I don’t think it’s impossible to take things a step further.

That said, my instinct is that I don’t necessarily want to make the same journey.  In writing Twig, I’m experimenting more with different degree and pacing of conflict, and I’m hoping to take lessons learned from this and carry them forward.  I know people generally enjoy the street-level stuff, and having more of it with some plots and quandaries would be nice.

t4nky: One of the recurring themes in your work is that powers don’t really make the person, its the person who makes the power. A lot of your more dangerous characters seem underpowered at first glance, then they use their power in some unexpected way. How do you keep coming up with new ways to use powers?

Wildbow: I write myself into corners.  A character has a certain set of skills, they have strengths and weaknesses.  Take that character, and thrust them into a scene where their weaknesses are highlighted and they can’t draw on their full strengths.  How do they cope?  I force myself to look through the character’s eyes, look at what they have available to them, and look for alternate angles.  Some of the best cliffhangers and tricks in Worm or Pact (and perhaps Twig too, though it’s early days still) came from scenes where I had no idea how the characters would survive the encounter before I started the chapter.  Of course, it’s important that a writer not twist events to make things easier on the character, and if I can’t think of a solution, then the character shouldn’t be able to either – and the character suffers accordingly.

I think this is what makes some scenes so intense for the reader.  The character is struggling to survive and the desperate gambits we see are echoed by my writerly desperation to figure out a way to keep things going.

t4nky: So, what are some of your inspirations for your stories? I have my own guesses, but I kind of want to hear from you. [My guesses: Neil Gaiman and Alan Moore. Especially Moore. You can’t tell me Watchmen had no effect on Worm.]

Wildbow:Oh boy.  My answer may seem contentious here, but I don’t know that inspiration exists like people expect it to, and when this question comes up, I’m always a little suspicious of the person asking, and even the person answering.
Mark Twain wrote, “There is no such thing as a new idea. It is impossible. We simply take a lot of old ideas and put them into a sort of mental kaleidoscope. We give them a turn and they make new and curious combinations. We keep on turning and making new combinations indefinitely; but they are the same old pieces of colored glass that have been in use through all the ages.”  – pay attention to the part where he says ‘a lot of’ and ‘kaleidoscope’.  I think to truly create anything original with its own merit, you have to consume vast amounts of media.  People say you need to read, but I believe in watching television, watching movies, reading comics, reading manga, listening to music, meeting people, and going through hardships.

If something is so centric to a work that an author can say, “I was inspired by [movie] or [book]”, then my gut feeling is that they haven’t broken down things into small enough pieces.  I could list a thousand works that inspired tidbits or facets of Worm, but I feel like it would be dishonest to point to something in abstract and give it a measure of credit.  I’m forced to give a really crummy answer and maybe sound pretentious and simply say, “Too many things to count,” or, “Everything.”

That said, when I started out, my goal was to figure out how to write more than a few pages at a time.  I was in University, I was studying applied language, and the topic of the writing process came up.  I’d been so focused on the product, the words on the page, the lack of pages, and the lack of quality, that I’d failed to look at the process.  I decided to change my process, change how I wrote, and I don’t know that I would have decided to write a web serial if I hadn’t read Jim Zoeteway’s Legion of Nothing and Alexandra Erin’s Tales of MU.  Inspiration is the wrong word, because I feel like it would be misrepresenting what I wrote and what they wrote by drawing a parallel that doesn’t entirely exist, but in a way, they did give me permission, and I feel like I owe them a great deal.

t4nky: You said that you weren’t going to do physical editions of Pact. Why? It would be a shame if you don’t because it fell victim to how distracted I get when I try to read something online and I want to give it a second chance. Print form would be a good way to do that.

Wildbow: Pact suffered because I had real life things going on at the time of the writing.  My mother was in and out of the hospital, I was having trouble with my living situation, was trying to find (and later move to) a new place out of town where rent would be cheaper and there would be less day to day hassle, and a big chunk of the year was dominated by my brother’s wedding, which was so out of the way that three cars didn’t survive the trip, with an excess of ten thousand dollars in repair costs.

I was distracted, and in the midst of that distraction, I defaulted to more escalation, more tension, and skipped things that would have given the story more depth.  A recurring complaint about Pact is that it doesn’t stop.  It doesn’t provide respite.  There are things people like about it, and it does have its good points, but the problems in terms of how it’s all put together are such that it would almost require a wholesale rewrite to produce something I’d be really happy publishing.

Worm is twice as long as Pact (and took twice as long to write), but I feel like editing Pact to bring it up to par would take two to four times as long as it would with Worm.

Even if I did put in the time and energy, I suspect Pact wouldn’t pay off the way I hope Worm might.

It’s simply not worth it, in terms of the effort for the payoff.

My favorite rendering of Skitter. Created by liujuin.
My favorite rendering of Skitter. Created by liujuin.

t4nky: When did you realize that Worm was taking off? What was your first thought when it hit you?

Wildbow: Earlier, I talked about different measures.  The one in a hundred chance that I might produce something people generally consider ‘excellent’.  I think Gavin William’s review was the point where I thought, “Worm could be something” and “People really like this.” – that was when I realized that I could be that one in a hundred.  My expectation at the time was that I could have a primary job and I would spend my spare time writing.  There would be sacrifices, but such would be my mark on the world.

The point where I realized that making it as a writer might be within my grasp was in early 2013, when I received my first one thousand dollar donation.  I received another almost a month later.  I was thrilled, I could barely contain myself, and I was daunted because the donation meant I had to write five bonus chapters in coming weeks (swiftly escalating to thirteen after the second donation).  I was able to stop working the odd jobs (barring one every month or every couple of weeks) and coast on the funds and savings.  My entire life changed, but it remained something dreamlike, like I was dazed, and I couldn’t quite believe that things were going the way they were.

At the point where Worm was finishing, Eliezer Yudkowsky, author of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, made a recommendation for Worm, a lot of people were picking up the story, and people were excited.  My readership doubled in the last few months, I had donations in the thousands of dollars.  That was when I knew that there was a very real possibility that Worm could make it big.  I told myself not to get my hopes up, but some serials out there had garnered less attention and been approached by major publishers, and that perhaps something would come of it.

Nothing on that scale has come up, though I have been approached by countless entrepreneurs and startups, by small publishers and editors, and I’ve been contacted by record keepers who ask about rights and contact information for television and movie studios, with no indication of who it was that they were asking on behalf of (and no responses from those individuals since).

It’s still a little hard to believe, looking at it all in abstract.  When I started Worm I had zero self esteem, I was struggling through University, struggling to write, and I had no vision for my future.  Now I’m in a nice affordable apartment in a small town with fanart on my wall and I’m paying my bills, and I’m doing it with writing as my sole source of income.  A part of me still expects to wake up or for reality to catch up with me.

t4nky: On a related note, did you make the TV Tropes page and the Subreddit or did fans make them? If you did create one, what were the reasons?

Wildbow:I created the TV tropes page, and as I must do every time I bring this up, I should stress that this is allowed, based on what I’ve read, but being the sole contributor of the page is discouraged and may suggest you’re not noteworthy.  I did it because fans bugged me and kept talking about doing it but never actually made it happen.  Once it was created with five or ten entries in it, I let it be, and fans expanded it.  TV tropes has been my primary or secondary source of new readers, all in all, with people wiki-walking their way to my writing in the same way you probably did.

t4nky: You’ve got a lot of people who’ve made fan art for Worm. Have you considered commissioning cover art from one of them? Also, do you have any particular favorites?

Wildbow:I’m fond of Aerryi’s work, and have a big print of her ‘Green Eyes’ on the wall of my office, with plans to print more and put up above my desk when I’m home for a more extended period of time.

The artwork in question. Find it on DeviantArt
The artwork in question. Find it on DeviantArt here.

There’s also an image of Tattletale that was commissioned, which is flat out beautiful, even if she’s sitting on a tightrope for no apparent reason.  I plan to contact the artist and get his permission to print out the artwork, as I did with Aerryi.

In terms of cover art, I don’t want to commit to anything, and I think a number of the fan-artists I might contract are adamantly against doing work for pay.  I have commissioned art from fans (the banner for Pact on TWF and the header image for Twig, as well), and I’m happy to involve fans and give back to the community that’s given me so much.

t4nky: I forget the exact threads, but at several points on Reddit, you mention how you’re pretty much deaf without hearing aids. Is there any reason you haven’t had a deaf character into your story? The way you describe it, it seems like it would make a good story.

Wildbow:I was born eleven weeks early, I got a bad blood transfusion with cytomegalovirus, which led to hyperbilirubenemia (blood broke down, I turned orange, system failure), had multiple cardiac arrests, yadda yadda yadda.  Out of the seven causes of deafness in newborns, I had six, dodging only the meningitis bullet.  I’m severely to profoundly deaf (a good eight or nine out of ten on the ‘can’t hear’ scale, depending on whether it’s high or low pitched sound), got hearing aids (and later a cochlear implant) and went to a regular school.

I’ve drawn on my experiences, with Taylor and Blake both paralleling my experiences in different ways and phases of my life, but I I think that telling a story with a character that can’t effectively communicate is difficult, and would require a different sort of circumstance or story to effectively share.

t4nky: After you finish Twig and Worm 2, what’s next? Are you going to continue to find your niche? Revisit some other old stuff? Or are you going to try something completely different?

Wildbow: Worm 2 may well be long, depending on the shape it takes in the end, and I figure I’ll have some time to explore and figure out where to go next.  At this stage, I would rather explore than try to find and wedge myself into a niche, and I would hope to tell a variety of stories, occasionally revisiting old favorites.

My experiences with writing have told me that it’s hard to predict what comes further down the line.  A part of me hopes that something might end up happening with people wanting to pick up my work or adapt it or something else, and I’d rather leave possibilities open rather than commit to something at this stage.  It may well be that I end up working with a TV studio to produce a Worm show, or switching tacks to pursue a secondary project.  I would like to keep writing, no matter what I do, so that readers have things to come back to, though, and with this in mind, I’m always thinking about what I might write next, much in the same way I’m always thinking ‘what am I doing for the next chapter?  The next arc?’.

A part of me wonders about maybe just shaking things up, practicing beginnings and endings, and simply spending a year writing a self contained story every month or two.  See about writing six to ten novels in a year, how good I can make them, and whether I can switch tacks.

But, as in all things, what happens after Worm 2 depends.

t4nky: When you aren’t writing, managing, and promoting your web serials, what do you do for fun? Do you watch movies, TV shows, listen to music, play games, read books? Anything you’d recommend?

Wildbow: I go for walks, I write up game concepts, work on Weaver Dice (the work-in-progress Worm pen and paper game), watch movies, watch TV, read comics, read manga, and play games.  I tend to enjoy things that break new ground or try new things, and dislike rehashed stuff.  I’ve liked movies with an 8% on Rotten Tomatoes, and I really disliked, say, John Wick, which my fans were raving about in the chatroom, because it was ultimately something I’ve seen before in various incarnations.

My game playing tends toward PC games, with indie games favored over the triple-A titles.  I’ve got a ridiculous number of hours in Binding of Isaac (mostly Rebirth), and I periodically play League of Legends, though I’m not that good, and end up coaching newbies rather than playing ranked games or anything in that vein.  I find competitive games tend to make me viscerally unhappy if I play them too much, so it’s something I mostly play with friends a couple of times a week than anything.

In movies, I tend to like dark, psychological films, or family films, but what I don’t watch is a smaller category than what I do – I lean away from goofy/stupid comedies or romances, though I have enjoyed them when made to sit down and watch.  In television shows, I find I look for the stuff I can binge watch.

Not actually answering the question here, but when I listen to music, it’s most often when I’m writing.  I find MrSuicideSheep’s playlists on Youtube to be a good place to go, and when I recommend them to other authors, the response is often positive.  That said, I’m deaf, so it’s hard to confidently recommend music.

t4nky: As an advocate of the web serial form, do you have any hopes for web serials in general? Any advice for newcomers?

Wildbow:As someone who follows indie games, and as someone old enough to have at least casually followed how games progressed from the 90s through the twenty-oughts and twenty-teens, I saw how indie games became a thing unto themselves.  Independent, single-creator or small-studio ventures weren’t a big thing until a series of indie games popped up and made it big, all in quick succession.  Cave Story, La Mulana, Minecraft, World of Goo, Spelunky, and more, they were games that were good and caught attention and found success, and indie games entered the public consciousness.  Some of those games might not get credit nowadays, but they were important, and they helped break new ground.

I think serials need that.  A collection of works in a short span of time that each find their own success and collectively raise up the medium to something more recognizable.  I think it’s doable, I think it’s eventually going to happen, and it’s a question of who and when.  I don’t know if or think that it’s going to be me among them, though I hope Worm or Pact or Twig might help shore things up and clear the way.

To make it as a serialist, and to be in the right place and the right position when the time comes, I think new authors may well have to make sacrifices and make calculated risks.  I see a lot of new authors starting without backlogs, and then floundering early on.  Get those twelve or fifteen or one hundred chapters done in advance, whatever it takes to not miss updates before you find your stride.  If you want to succeed, you have to work for it, and you have to be professional.  It’s not so different from being at a competitive workplace and deciding you can skip a few days of work because life is hard.  If it’s a really cutthroat environment (and writing is deceptively competitive as a field), taking one day off will cost you far more than it gives you in respite.  In much the same vein, I would echo Scott Kurtz (Artist and author of PvP) in saying that when you work online, you don’t get a break.  I see similar statements from major youtubers, from game streamers, from online actors and from artists.  Know what you’re getting into.

That isn’t to say that casually writing web serials is bad.  Just know that you get what you put into it.  If you write casually, then you get a casual audience, and a casual audience doesn’t comment or visit regularly.

Writing is work.  Take time before you launch your serial, write as many chapters as you can before you even start.  Use that time to gauge how fast you write, how hard it is, and whether you think you could keep it up during a typical ‘tough week’ for you.  Adjust accordingly.  Before I started Worm, I planned to write three to five chapters a week (the site url is ‘parahumans’ because I intended it to be a series of interweaving stories), but I did the backlog, decided that two chapters a week was my limit, decided to write only one of the five interweaving stories, and later expanded things the occasional third when enough donations rolled around.

Write something you enjoy, and hope that there’s a share of audience out there that has the same tastes you do.  There are no guarantees, and there’s probably less guarantees with comedy or romance, but if you’re passionate about what you write, then you’ll probably find an audience that’s passionate about it too.

t4nky: One final question, before we wrap things up. You have a tendency to, at the end of every serial, do something called a post-mortem in the game design world where you go back and write to everyone about what you think you got wrong and what you got right. Do you think that helps you? Is it more helpful to post it publicly where everyone can see it? Who does it help most: you, your readers, or aspiring authors?

Wildbow: In University, I studied applied languages.  How does language work, where do we use it, how do we learn it, or teach it?

As part of that, there was some discussion of the triangle, where the author, the text, and the audience are at different points.  There’s a relationship between each, and through every step of the process, every idea, every conceit, there’s interplay between each of the three.  For the most part, however, outside of periodic comments, the author’s relationship with the audience is mostly dictated through the text.  What I want people to feel, what I want to convey, the surprises I want to spring.

It’s intimate, and it’s a long journey.

The afterword serves to allow me to directly communicate to the audience.  The journey is over, I’ve held their hands, I’ve led them this far.  Now I’m letting go, and with the afterword, I can let them know directly that they were heard, appreciated, what happened, where I stand, and where I hope to go.  It’s a rare chance to just address the audience as a collective.  By doing it this way, I can make sure that the audience knows who I am, when the relationship might otherwise be skewed by the implications and the impressions they get through the long and storied relationship as the epic story is told.

I might fling characters blind and crippled into burning buildings surrounded by soldiers, strip away their humanity, kill their loved ones and friends, or deny them hope, I might sentence them to death or destroy their worlds, but really truly, I’m just a very quiet, gentle guy that’s endlessly grateful to his audience.

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Interview with Chris Poirier

Chris Poirier is the man behind Web Fiction Guide (WFG) and Top Web Fiction guide (TWF.) Like most web serial authors, I owe him a huge debt. Of the sites that refer people to my serial, WFG, TWF and the WFG forums have been the sites that have come in first, second, and fifth. That translates into something along the lines of seven hundred and thirty seven people referred by sites he maintains. By the time you read this, that number will have increased.

t4nky: In your own words, why should a person thinking of writing a web serial writing a web serial get involved in Web Fiction Guide.

Chris Poirier: The best reason is the self-serving one: we offer free publicity. That is hard to come by–particularly if you don’t have an existing fan base to spread the word. That’s the reason to list, and why we have a steady queue of new submissions waiting.

What I think a lot of authors don’t understand is just getting listed isn’t enough. The site is set up to ensure *readers* have the biggest say in what new visitors get to see. Authors who list and leave usually get back as much as the effort they put in, which is to say very little. It’s the ones who participate–who link back to us, who ask their readers to review, who establish relationships with other authors, who write a few reviews themselves–those are the ones who see the most benefits.
As with most human endeavours, we are stronger together than alone. Serializing fiction is no different.

t4nky: When did you first become involved in the world of web serials? Did you decide to write your own and discover other writers or did you find several web serials that got you hooked?

CP: I started writing my serial, _Winter Rain_, back in 2008, on the encouragement of Sarah Suleski (author of Alisiyad, Dreamers, and Queen of Seven). We knew each other from an online writers’ group, and she thought it would help me get over my long-standing writer’s block. When I started, I didn’t even have a story idea. I think maybe I was going to do a collection of flash fiction. I just wanted to write something tense, as I’d had a lot of trouble with that in the past. Well, the first post went up, Sarah liked it and so did I, and over the next 24 hours, with the help of an old Irish faerie tale I liked, I came up with a story and ran with it.

Winter Rain ran for 18 months. Sadly, I wasn’t able to finish it. That lack of planning at the start (compounded perhaps by a lack of imagination on my part), doomed the story. I wrote myself into a corner I couldn’t find my way out of, and after nearly 80 instalments, I had to apologize to my readers and walk away.
All in, I’m glad I attempted it. Next time, though, I’ll do things rather differently.

t4nky: What are some of your favorite web serials? What is your all-time favorite? What are a few you are currently reading?

CP: I’m actually not reading a lot, right now. I’ve been very busy with work and personal projects, so pretty much all of my online reading time now goes to processing the WFG submission queue. I get to see everything we list, but don’t get to spend a lot of time with any given story.

Looking through my past reviews, I loved The God Eaters, by Jesse Hajicek. And Kip Manley has recently announced that City of Roses will be starting up again soon, which I’m looking forward to. And I’m currently reading Rackham & Crane, which we just listed. It’s got this understated creepiness to it that I quite like.

t4nky: How often do you look over Top Web Fiction or recent submissions to find new things to read?

CP: I process stories from the submission queue as often as I have time, but that often ends up being only once or twice a week. I usually try to approve at most three new stories a day, in order to give them some time on the home page, but if the backlog is particularly long, I sometimes have to go as high as six in one session.

As for TWF, I honestly don’t look at it at all except for administration purposes. But that’s fine–I’m not the target audience for that site, so I feel no guilt about it. 🙂

t4nky: So how long have you been managing Web Fiction Guide? I assume it was some time after you became involved in the community. What made you believe it was needed?

CP: As I mentioned earlier, I was friends with Sarah Suleski, back when she was working on Alisiyad. I had set up her site for Alisiyad in late 2007, so I had some basic understanding of the ecosystem from her. I started writing Winter Rain in early June of 2008, and I think WFG went live the first week of July, 2008. It was pretty quick, once we decided to do it. I built the necessary WordPress plugins and theme over the course of a week, while Sarah put together the original editorial team, picked from authors and reviewers she knew from her time on Pages Unbound, a listing site Alexandra Erin used to run.

At the time, Pages Unbound was really the only game in town, but it had a lot of technical and systemic problems. That’s why we decided to start WFG. We thought we could do a better job.
To be honest, we were a bit naive. One of our initial goals was to give every listed story an editorial review. We wanted to make sure the good stuff got some attention, even if it didn’t have a large cheering section. Ultimately, that proved unsustainable. Writing a quality review takes a lot of time, and the volume of things to read is just prohibitive. And, every once in a while, an author would go ballistic over a negative review from an editor–which can be very stressful.
These days, I understand Alexandra Erin’s situation with Pages Unbound much more clearly. One of my personal motivations for starting WFG was I wanted to do a faster turnaround on the submission queue. At that time, getting a listing on Pages Unbound was taking between two and four weeks, which I thought was unacceptable. As it’s turned out, I can’t often do any better myself. 😦

t4nky: How hard was Top Web Fiction to design and implement? Is it hard to maintain?

CP: I think I put TWF together in a couple of hours one afternoon. It draws from the same tables and uses the same infrastructure as WFG, so there is very little to it.

To be honest, other than uploading banners for listings (which I still do by hand, as I haven’t been able to justify the time it would take to automate it), the largest amount of time TWF has ever required was several months ago, when it became obvious that a few authors were doing some things to inflate their vote counts. I was sorely tempted to remove those listings from TWF. In the end, I spent several days developing countermeasures instead. I’m hoping I won’t have to do it again.

t4nky: On a similar note, do you have to add in every entry yourself? If so, how much work is it?

CP: TWF and WFG draw from the same database, so there is only one submission queue for both.

Processing a submission takes anywhere from ten minutes to an hour, depending on numerous factors (including my mood). The existing submission form has proven well-below-optimal in terms of getting quality data for the system, so I still have to check everything by hand, and usually correct stuff. I also look over each story, to ensure that it meets our requirements, that it seems consistent with the submitted information, and to decide if I should promote it for the community (those “Editor’s First Impression” things that sometimes show up in the review section). All in, it’s a lot of work.

t4nky: If you could add one new feature to TWF and WFG, what would it be?

CP: WFG’s software is six years old. It needs a complete rewrite. The ranking algorithm needs adjusting, and the user experience is too static and text-heavy. Also, a large part of the design was built on a social contract that did not survive reality (ie. an active editorial presence).

Redesigning and rewriting the site is something I really want to get finished this year. So far, finding the time has proven a large problem.

t4nky: The first time I went on the Web Fiction Guide Patreon page, there were several more goals, reaching all the way up to $75. Now, you only have a $10 goal. What were the missing goals and why did you decide to get rid of them?

CP: At the time, the RSS feed situation was becoming a bone of contention in the community. Every listing can include an RSS feed, which the site software uses to provide a summary of recent updates on the listing page. It also provides the data for the home page “Featured Updates” section.

Now, WFG runs on shared hosting, which means I’m very careful about server resource use. I don’t want to be asked to leave for exceeding the limits of the shared account. So, as a result, I was only processing the RSS feeds for stories that had an editorial review at or above 3.5 stars, and processing frequency was tied to rating as well (higher rated stories got their RSS feed checked more often). But, with the paucity of editorial reviews, lots of stories were being excluded. Authors were justifiably annoyed.
At the time, without really thinking it through, I thought the easy solution would be to move the site to cloud hosting, where we’d have tons of resources, but that was going to incur a significant increase in costs. So I asked for help. The community responded, and I went to do the work. Of course, at that point, I actually did the math to determine just how much hardware I needed, and it turned out I had seriously overestimated the cost of loading the RSS feeds. So much so that we can load every feed every day and still not piss off our shared host. So, I dropped the goals, advised the community, and that’s where things stand now.
There might at some point be new goals. People are currently asking that we get a logo for links and such. I’ll probably set up a goal to fund basic marketing stuff like that.

t4nky: How many people on average visit WFG and Top Web Fiction every day? How many are then referred to a web serial?

CP: Stats–particularly web stats–are usually over-inflated. There’s a lot of bots on the web, IP addresses of mobile devices change constantly… even with sophisticated measures, it’s really hard to get legitimate stats. WFG’s tracking software thinks it sees somewhere between 400 and 600 unique visitors a day. I haven’t checked TWF’s stats in a while (and I’d have to do some work to do it now, so I’m not going to), but we get a couple of thousand *votes* a week, so presumably the number of actual visitors is somewhat higher than that.

t4nky: Earlier on, I mentioned how many people are referred to my serial by your sites. What sites refer the most people to you?

CP: I haven’t looked at a breakdown in years. Last time I did, well more than half our traffic to WFG was direct (ie. people using a bookmark). Nearly all of TWF’s traffic was via a vote link from a listed site.

t4nky: How many serials are listed on WFG? How many would you say are still active?

CP: A quick look in the database says we have just over 1000 listings. I’d say maybe 400 of them are still online. Actively updating is a subset of that.

t4nky: You’ve been around the scene for a while and have seen some stuff. What are some important events in web serial history?

CP: To be honest, I have a memory like a sieve, and history has never been my strong subject. You’d best ask this question of someone else. 🙂

t4nky: Certain authors like Wildbow (Worm, Pact, Twig,) Drew Hayes (Super Powereds,) Maddie Rose (Twisted Cogs,) and Jim Zoetewey (Legion of Nothing) have managed to attract quite the audience. How do you think have they been able to do it?

CP: I don’t think there are any tricks. They are all good writers who produce consistently, and who engage with their readership. It may well be that simple.

t4nky: Some genres (cough, superheros, cough) seem over-represented, while some like realistic fiction are barely represented at all. Do you think there’s a reason for this?

CP: It’s not really a new phenomenon. When we started, every other story had a vampire or a magic school. Next it was zombies. Now it’s superheroes. Next year, who knows?

Perhaps more so than with other media, web serialists write what they like to read. Of late, a lot of people who read _Worm_ decided to write their own superhero stories. Before that, _Adrian’s Undead Diary_ (and more generally, things like _The Walking Dead_ and _Left4Dead_) inspired a lot of zombie stories. Before that, it was _Twilight_ and _Harry Potter_. What’s next? If you know, there’s probably a high-paying job waiting for you at a publisher somewhere. 😉

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Tartra and The Other Kind of Roommate

T4nky: For people who have never heard of the story, The Other Kind of Roommate, could you give a brief description? If someone wants to read it, where can they find it?

Tartra:The Other Kind of Roommate (TOKoR) is a lighthearted, urban fantasy that follows Alex, a superpowered recluse hiding for his life; Xander, the temperamental voice in Alex’s head; and Beth, the chatty artist living under both of them, as the three go on the run from a power-harvesting organization known only as the Agency.

T4nky: What is the process behind writing an update? Do you plan it out ahead of time? How long do they normally take to write?

Tartra: Two parts panic, four parts coffee, six parts swearing at my computer screen. The planning process takes anywhere from three weeks to four months, during which I’ll come up with snippets of what should be in an update but are only fleshed out when I get close to that part of the story. Sitting down and actually writing – thanks to the magic of deadlines – takes roughly four days, with the bulk of the work being in those last two. The vast majority of my effort is spent just coming up with things to write, and as of right now, I have the ‘snippets’ ready for the next five posts, plus a bunch of eventual milestones.

T4nky: One of the characters you introduce, Bethany Keeler, is a starving artist. Almost literally. Is this a position you or a friend has been in?

Tartra: I’ve been fortunate to never have to be a starving anything, and most of the artists I’ve met were university students in run-down residences. I modelled Beth’s living situation a little after them, minus being a student, and figured the few but notable sales she’s made were enough motivation to keep her in that environment and waiting for her big break. So no, she’s not drawn from any personal or friends’ experiences, but she’s been inspired by real-life observations.

T4nky: Do you have a day job and/or go to school? If so, is it hard to keep a consistent schedule?

Tartra: This is where the four-parts-coffee comes in. I work 9-5, in addition to my two hours of commuting, in addition to the hour I need to get up in the morning. It’s a draining chunk of my day gone, and it most certainly impacts my schedule. The hardest part of committing to TOKoR was realizing I can’t add it to my schedule; I have to swap out other things I love just as much. It’s reined in my social life, for starters, but after months of working around my story instead of trying to work in, I (hopefully!) found a nice balance.

T4nky: How hard is it to get fan feedback? Do you get a lot of comments on your site or other places you post?

Tartra: Fan feedback isn’t hard to get. Fans are hard to get. I do get a lot of comments on my website and on other forums I head to. I’ve worked hard to seem as open to feedback as I sincerely am: I’ve directly welcomed it, I’m happy to chat back, I am slowly building extras for others to get into, and I haven’t failed to reply to an email. Surprisingly, I get more emails than comments!

T4nky: Is there a fan-favorite character in your serial? Do you have a favorite character? Are they the same?

Tartra: Everybody loves Xander. I think it’s awesome, and I’m thrilled he’s someone readers can laugh with at somebody else (mostly Alex) while fully understanding he’s an unrepentant jerk. But he’s very open about that jerkiness and all his other flaws, which I think adds to how easy he is to accept. If I’d tried to play it down, it might have come off as dishonest or slimy. Instead, Xander just is, acting out of impulse rather than malice.

My personal favourite is Benoit. He’s new to the story, but was highly involved throughout the first draft. With the direction TOKoR’s taking, he’ll be as involved as before, and more than anyone, I have big plans for he handles Xander down the road.

T4nky:  How long do you plan on having the serial go for? Do you have an end planned?

Tartra: Weeeeeell… yes and no, as far as having an ending planned goes. I expect this to be a long, long, long-running serial, with new arcs and plots added for as long as there’s still an idea explore. I have broken it into three major ‘books’, and while I know where the first two books would end, it’s too early for me to have figured out the third. And as far as where we are now, this is a drop in the bucket. I’ll be counting my final post with four digits, if I’m lucky.

T4nky: Is there a bit of you in any of the characters?

Tartra: Absolutely, but only a bit, just enough to get inside the head of everyone and give them one trait that I know at least one person on the planet (read: me) has, cranked up to eleven. For example, Alex has my serenity in the face of the unknown, while Beth has my sense of perspective, and Xander, my optimism. I will now stop talking, leaving everyone to imagine the wonderful person I am.